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Sketch 8 - 7-02-11 by iamniquey Sketch 8 - 7-02-11 by iamniquey
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WCoastCalamity Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2011
One thing I would recommend if you want the eyes and nose to be locked down and sit correctly on the face is to use a mask. It's something disney did with ariel when constructing her. I good example of what I'm talking about would be the incredibles when they're wearing there masks. You'll notice that it will squash and stretch with the face, the top of the mask will represent the brow line. Note that when I say draw in a mask, I don't mean make the mask part of your characters, its simply just used in the construction stage. But as it is now, its pretty good, these are just things to help take it a step further. Does this help and or make sense? If you'd like I could link you some examples.
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iamniquey Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2011  Student Digital Artist
A mask? Very interesting! I've never heard of this method before. Could you explain a little more how to implement it? :)
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WCoastCalamity Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2011
Yeah, its something my animation teacher showed me, it took me a little while to get a good grasp on it, but it makes sense to me now. Any-who, I drew up a quick little example on it. But basically the mask is just a guide line to help you place the eyes on the face and to push expressions.

So here's a link to my example. I couldn't find quick incredibles reference, so I used Harley's, but the same thing applies.

You can look at her and notice how the artist pushes the mask around to show her expression. When drawing, a normal character I often add that top line (in this would be the top of harley's mask) in construction to help me establish where the eye brows are. You only see the mask in the rough drawing stage where you're laying in all your construction lines and what not, it wouldn't show up in a finished drawing. The reason I mention Harley or the incredible is because their characters have the mask in the final drawing, and its nice to see how people in the industry handle it, and it helps you to think of the form and how it wraps around the drawing, instead of it just being flat.

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If you have any other questions or if I'm just confusing you, let me know and I'd be happy to elaborate more or try and simplify things. Also, what do you want to do with art? Are you just doing it for fun and you want to get better or are you one day hoping for a career in it?
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iamniquey Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2011  Student Digital Artist
This is excellent. :wow: I definitely see how this works. I think I'll give it a try. Thanks so much for taking the time to write all this! I really appreciate it :D

Well I'm not sure, honestly. I just really enjoy art. But like everything else I do, I want to really master it - know everything about it. The thing that draws me in the most in art pieces, I realize, is the expressions. The way the artist makes me want to ask, what's going on? what are they thinking? what's their life story? I may do something with it career-wise in the future but I'm not currently geared that way really.
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WCoastCalamity Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2011
You welcome :) and it was no trouble at all. I may seem like a dick sometimes, but I do really enjoy helping people out and seeing them apply it to their work.

Thats cool, as long as you love doing it, thats all that matters. I've looked as some of your past paintings and they're pretty good. One thing I would say is, you don't have to copy the model or reference exactly, but sometimes if something is so perfect and you want to capture it, but don't be afraid to stray from the model if you want to or if something would look better a slightly different way. Its just a tool, not a rule. No one will know what the model looked like, they're just going to see your draw/painting, and thats what needs to stand on its own. Is this making sense?

To make myself clear, I'm not saying what you're doing is bad, because its not, I'm saying don't be afraid to take some liberties in the drawing.
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iamniquey Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2011  Student Digital Artist
No no. I realize that you are just passionate. ^^

Yes. I know that's a problem I have. I guess I don't really trust my skills as yet? But it's something I definitely want to do in my future works, because it's exactly what irks me about so many drawings (which I used to love and aspire to do). They were boring - though extremely accurate and realistic, so it was beautiful, there was no creativity or imagination. One reason I want to stray a little from photo-realism one day, something I used to strive for wholeheartedly. I want to, however, use these "exact copy" methods to at least understand the structure, and then I work with creative after. Am I looking at it wrong? I don't know. :shrug: I've never had a day of professional teaching in my life so I rely heavily on free tutorials and e-books. Unfortunately having a curiously inquisitive yet incredibly distracted mind has led to me get bits and pieces here and there. I honestly don't know where to start anymore :roll: lol

But I totally understand you. Thanks again, really, for taking the time. I seriously appreciate it. You have no idea :)
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WCoastCalamity Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2011
Haha, I was looking at the harley picture on the page I sent you and I just noticed it says in the top right corner "top of mask can change shape for expressions (think of it like eyebrows)"
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